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>>>Е:
>>>Хотя вполне очевидно, что действительно, поразгружались хрен знает куда с минимальным ущербом для противника.
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>>А какой ущерб бы вы сочли не минимальным на сброшенный тоннаж ?
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>Е:
>Вот внизу привели неплохой пример с бомбардировкой Таллина.


То есть Таллин - это чуть лучше минимального по вашему :)
Страшно себе представить что было бы хорошим или отличным результатом по вашему мнению, надо полгать аннигииляция всего города со всеми жителями :D



>Е:
>Конечно, ничего особенного. Кроме яво дурной работы штабов и командования в целом, пославших самолеты со слабо подготовленными экипажами (в массе) в крупный налет в заведомо плохих метеоусловиях. Что говорит о том, что с управлением действиями авиации (включая АДД) было весьма хреново. Впрочем, очень наглядно об уровне управления действиями авиации в войну говорит недавно вышедший двухтомник М.Э.Морозова «Морская торпедоносная авиация». Удручающая картина, в основном.


Ага, ага, так уже понятно...
Вспомним ещё ваше предыдущее высказывание:
И в качестве доказательства уважаемый Моцарт приводит данные о налетах той же АДД на Кенигсберг и Хельскинки, из которых видно, что в города попадали даже хуже англичан – откуда тут возьмётся точность бомбометания ночью по ж/д станциям?



и обратимся взор на их успехи:


8/9 March 1942
Essen

This was yet another major step forward, a heavy raid on the previously difficult target of Essen with leading aircraft now fitted with the Gee navigational aid.
211 aircraft - 115 Wellingtons, 37 Hampdens, 27 Stirlings, 22 Manchesters and 10 Halifaxes. 8 aircraft - 5 Wellingtons, 2 Manchesters and 1 Stirling - lost.
It was a fine night but industrial haze over Essen prevented accurate bombing and the raid was a disappointment. Gee could only enable the aircraft to reach the approximate area of the target. Photographic evidence showed that the main target, the Krupps factories, was not hit but some bombs fell in the southern part of Essen.
Essen reports only a 'light' raid with a few houses and a church destroyed, 10 People killed and 19 missing.


9/10 March 1942
Essen

187 aircraft - 136 Wellingtons, 21 Stirlings, 15 Hampdens, 10 Manchesters, 5 Halifaxes - to continue the series of heavy Gee-guided raids to Essen. 2 Wellingtons and 1 Halifax lost.
Thick ground haze led to scattered bombing. Only 2 buildings were destroyed in Essen but 72 were damaged. Bombs also fell in 24 other Ruhr towns with particular damage in Hamborn and Duisburg. 10 people were killed, 19 were missing and 52 were injured in Essen; 74 people were killed and 284 injured in other towns.


10/11 March 1942
Essen

126 aircraft - 56 Wellingtons, 43 Hampdens, 13 Manchesters, 12 Stirlings, 2 Lancasters; this was the first participation by Lancasters in a raid on a German target. 4 aircraft - 2 Hampdens, 1 Stirling, 1 Wellington lost.
This was another disappointing raid with unexpected cloud being the main cause of poor bombing. 62 crews claimed to have bombed Essen; 35 crews bombed alternative targets. The report from Essen shows that only 2 bombs fell on an industrial target - railway lines near the Krupps factory - and 1 house was destroyed and 2 damaged in residential areas. 5 Germans were killed and 12 injured and a Polish worker was killed by a Flak shell which descended and exploded on the ground.



25/26 March 1942
Essen

254 aircraft - 192 Wellingtons, 26 Stirlings, 20 Manchesters, 9 Hampdens, 7 Lancasters - in the largest force sent to 1 target so far. 9 aircraft - 5 Manchesters (out of the 20 dispatched), 3 Wellingtons, 1 Hampden - lost.
Visibility was good and 181 crews claimed to have bombed Essen, many claiming hits on the Krupps works, but bombing photographs showed that much of the effort was drawn off by the decoy fire site at Rheinberg, 18 miles west of Essen. Essen's report says that only 9 high-explosive bombs, 700 incendiaries and 1,627 leaflets were dropped there. 1 house was destroyed and 2 seriously damaged. 5 people were killed and 11 injured.


26/27 March 1942
Essen

104 Wellingtons and 11 Stirlings. 10 Wellingtons and 1 Stirling lost.
The bombing force encountered heavy Flak at the target and many night fighters on the routes. Hits on the Krupps works and fires in Essen were claimed but the raid was actually another failure on this difficult target. Only 22 high-explosive bombs were counted in Essen, with 2 houses destroyed, 6 people killed and 14 injured. The bombers had suffered nearly 10 per cent casualties.



http://raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/mar42.html



10/11 January 1942
Wilhelmshaven

124 aircraft; good bombing claimed but Wilhelmshaven records this only as a small raid with light damage and 6 people injured. 3 Wellingtons and 2 Hampdens lost.



14/15 January 1942
Hamburg

95 aircraft with shipyards and an airframe factory as targets. 2 Hampdens and 2 Wellingtons lost. Only 48 aircraft claimed to have bombed Hamburg, which reports Altona station hit and 12 fires - 7 large, with 6 people killed and 22 injured - but no other major incidents.



15/16 January 1942
Hamburg

96 aircraft. 52 of them claimed to have bombed in difficult visibility. Hamburg reports 36 fires - 3 large, 3 people killed and 25 injured - but no major incidents. 3 Wellingtons and 1 Hampden were lost and 8 further aircraft crashed in England.



28/29 January 1942
Munster

55 Wellingtons and 29 Hampdens. Visibility was very poor and no aircraft positively identified the target though many believed that they had bombed in the target area. Local records show that no bombs fell in Munster. 4 Hampdens and 1 Wellington lost.


http://raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/jan42.html

Это только событыя за два месяца, если полистать этот дневник дальше такого добра будет ещё куча.


Так что у нас судя по всему, было ещё не так плохо, англичане - вот у кого картина была на полную катушку "удручающая", и если они нам и показывали пример то только в том насколько неудачными могут быть действия АДД: "Local records show that no bombs fell in Munster"