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11-19 век; Флот;
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Re: Вы противоречите...
Приветствую!
>>>Хотелось бы увидеть список побед могучего польского флота - и захваченных им адмиралов, кстати.
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>>Одно сражение под Оливой и снятие блокады Данцига чего стоит. И это - купцы против регулярного шведского флота.
>Так что там с польским флотом?
Убитый вице-адмирал Шёрншельд вам подойдет?
>>>Ja Ja. Fleet in being. Особенно если вспомнить, что именно шведы по сей день рассказывают про Гренгам. Дескать, линкор и 4 фрегата прогуливались по морю, случайно влетели в середину могучего русского флота, утопили 43 галеры из 63 и больше тысячи московитов, а потом сдались. Исключительно из презрения к варварам, надо полагать
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>>Вы немного с фактурой ознакомьтесь, чтобы чушь не нести.
>Это, простите, официальная шведская версия из википедии со ссылкой на Christer Kuvaja: Karolinska krigare 1660–1721, p.257. Schildts Förlags AB 2008. ISBN 978-951-50-1823-6 и Matts Dreijer: "The History of the Åland islands"
А с каких пор Википедия стала источником? Что за источник, который может править каждый?
Вот к примеру Андерсон - это источник:
The Swedish division of one battleship, four frigates, three
galleys, and seven other small craft retreated on August 6th
through Ledsund before the Russian force of 61 galleys and 29
boats, but next day, as they reached the open sea, they met
Sjoblad, and he, contrary to his orders, took them under his
command and sailed to the attack. The Swedish force was
now two battleships and six frigates, besides the smaller
vessels, but the action resulted in a decisive Russian victory.
At first Golitsyn retreated to entice the Swedish sailing ships
into the narrow waters, but as soon as he had done this he
turned and attacked. The Swedes tried to bring their broad-
sides to bear, but two of their frigates went ashore at once,
and two others a little later. All these ships were captured
after a brisk action. Sjoblad himself was only saved by a
fine piece of seamanship. His ship, the Pommern, beating to
the southward missed stays; the Russians were too close to
allow him to wear, so he carried on again, luffed up, cast
anchor, got his head sails drawing on the other tack, cut his
cable, and escaped. The captured Swedish ships were the
Stora Phoenix 34, Vainqueur 30, Kiskin 22,* and Danska Orn
18. They had lost before surrendering 103 men killed. The
Russians lost 82 killed and 246 wounded. No fewer than 43
of the Russian galleys were so much damaged that they had
to be burnt, while two had been sunk early in the action. On
August 18th Golitsyn was back at Pojo with his prizes.
While these operations were going on in the Aland Islands
the combined Anglo-Swedish fleet had been to sea again. On
August 2nd it left Dalaro and sailed to Dagerort in Osel, but
could see nothing of the Russians, and anchored on the 9th at
Kapelsvik. Norris and Sparre now decided to return to
Dalaro, but sent Admiral Hosier with one Swedish and seven
English battleships to cruise in the Southern Baltic. Count
Wachtmeister, the Swedish second-in-command, had to stay at
Kapelsvik to repair the Skdne 66 and Stockholm 66, but the
rest of the fleet reached Dalaro on August 17th. Nothing more
of interest happened this year. The Russian sailing ships
were laid up for the most part at Petersburg and Kronslot,
while the galleys wintered at Helsingfors, only fifteen being
left at Abo. Karl Wachtmeister's squadron at Soderarm went
back to Stockholm at the end of September, and at the begin-
ning of November both the English fleet and the main Swedish
fleet left Dalaro for home.
http://archive.org/stream/navalwarsinbalti00andeuoft/navalwarsinbalti00andeuoft_djvu.txt
>>4 фрегата погнались за отрядом Голицина, который просто их завел на мель.
>А линкор Pommern куда делся?
А линкор Поммерн как бы в погоню не пошел, вполне справедливо полагая, что 4 фрегата справятся с этой кучей мелочи.
Ром, плеть и содомия - вот и все традиции Королевского флота