От Слесарь
К All
Дата 04.04.2006 16:53:29
Рубрики WWII;

Вопрос о противотанковых собаках

Приветствую уважаемое сообщество.

Краем уха слышал про использование во время Великой Отечественой Войны дрессированых собак в качестве противотанкового средства (с поясами шахидов), но подробно в вопрос не вдавался.

Есть ли по этому поводу информация?
Было ли на самом деле?
Как было организовано структурно?
Какова была боевая эффективность?
От Begletz
К Слесарь (04.04.2006 16:53:29)
Дата 04.04.2006 18:16:30

У Карелла было, рассказ немецких очевидцев. (-)
От tsa
К Слесарь (04.04.2006 16:53:29)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:32:12

Вот ещё из архива.

Здравствуйте !

http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/0/archive/5/5300.htm

С уважением, tsa.
От Booker
К Слесарь (04.04.2006 16:53:29)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:20:03

Статейка из Encyclopedia of Weapon of WWII с маленькой картинкой

Soviet dog mines

In common with many other European armies, the Red Army maintained a number of 'war dogs' for various military purposes such as sniffing out explosives or even delivering messages and medical supplies in front-line areas, but there can have been few roles more bizarre for dogs to play than the Soviet dog mines that were used for a short period during World War II. Exactly how the idea of using dogs as mobile anti-tank mines came about has yet to be determined, but the idea was simple and seemed to offer great things for the hard-pressed Soviet forces during 1942.
The basic idea of the dog mine was that the dogs were trained to dive under enemy tanks whenever they appeared. Each dog carried on its back a wooden box (or packets secured to its body by a harness) and from the top of the box (or packets) protruded a vertical wooden post. When this post was pushed backwards as the dog moved under the tank it detonated the explosives contained in the box (or packets) to the detriment of the tank and the unfortunate dog. Some accounts talk of wire sensors in place of the wooden post.
For all its simplicity the idea of the dog mines did not last very long, The Red Army soon discovered that there were two main disadvantages to the idea. One was that in order to train the dogs to dive under tanks they were always given food under a tank. This was all very well, but to most dogs the familiar smells and sights under a Soviet tank were very different to those under German tanks. Thus in a battlefield situation once they were released with the explosives attached the dogs often tended to make for the familiar smells and sounds of Soviet tanks rather than the intended German tanks, with obvious results. The second snag was that the Germans soon learned of the Soviet Hundminen and spread the word through the efficient German military media machinery that all Soviet dogs likely to be encountered were rabid and were to be shot as soon as they were spotted. This alone caused the virtual disappearance of dogs all along the Eastern Front within a matter of days, making the further use of dog mines that much more unlikely. One other factor now seems obvious was that on any battlefield the noise and general chaos in progress would unhinge any normal dogs' behaviour, making them run amok in any direction other than towards tanks of any kind, and so hazardous to anyone in their vicinity.
The Soviet dog mines did have a few successes, but their period of 'action' was short once their two-edged nature became apparent. The idea was not used after 1942, but there were some reports of the Viet Minh attempting to use dog mines during the fighting in Indo-China during the late 1940s, Some reports on the Red Army after 1945 still contained references to the dog mines, no doubt just in case they were used again.

противотанковая собачка


The Soviet dog mines seemed like a good idea when first mooted, butin use the dogs were easily distracted to friendly tanks, where their rodoperated explosive back-packs proved to be just as destructive as they would have been against German tanks.

Тоже упирает на то, что собачкам было все равно чей танк.

С уважением.
От А.Елисеенко
К Booker (04.04.2006 17:20:03)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:27:34

У вас книжечка в ПДФ или как? (-)
От Booker
К А.Елисеенко (04.04.2006 17:27:34)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:30:17

Ага, но здоровая - 75мегов. Нужно? (-)
От А.Елисеенко
К Booker (04.04.2006 17:30:17)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:52:24

Не откажусь. Могу поменять на другие мурзилки(+)

кидать лучше на alex@press-line.ru у меня с десяток в пдф по бтт есть если интересует
От Booker
К А.Елисеенко (04.04.2006 17:52:24)
Дата 04.04.2006 18:08:38

Посмотрите пейджер. (-)
От А.Елисеенко
К Слесарь (04.04.2006 16:53:29)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:09:57

Раус пишет, что свои танки подрывали (-)
От tsa
К А.Елисеенко (04.04.2006 17:09:57)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:18:32

И свои танки подрывали, и в блиндажи прятаться пытались и просто убегали иногда. (-)
От Паршев
К tsa (04.04.2006 17:18:32)
Дата 04.04.2006 18:36:06

А то обычные противотанкисты по своим не шмаляли (-)
От tsa
К Паршев (04.04.2006 18:36:06)
Дата 04.04.2006 18:38:32

Шмаляли конечно. Но собака - конструкция менее гибкая, чем артиллерист. (-)
От jeesup
К tsa (04.04.2006 18:38:32)
Дата 04.04.2006 23:03:04

Тем более, если сражается за свою будку (-)
От Белаш
К tsa (04.04.2006 18:38:32)
Дата 04.04.2006 21:34:58

А нечего танки где попало применять (-)
От Дмитрий Козырев
К Слесарь (04.04.2006 16:53:29)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:03:20

Еще статья

http://www.rkka.ru/analys/aptekar/sobaki.htm
От Слесарь
К Дмитрий Козырев (04.04.2006 17:03:20)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:19:52

Спасибо (-)
От tsa
К Слесарь (04.04.2006 16:53:29)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:00:03

Re: Вопрос о...

Здравствуйте !

Как устроено - написано тут:
http://tewton.narod.ru/mines-3/sobaka.html

По поводу использования и эффективности, аффтар жжет. Т.к. использовалось почти всю войну. Масштабы скромные, эффективность ограниченная.

С уважением, tsa.
От Белаш
К tsa (04.04.2006 17:00:03)
Дата 04.04.2006 17:32:51

Ага, насчет жжения и хотел узнать (-)