От	А.Никольский
К	All
Дата	14.08.2007 13:24:00
Рубрики	Флот; Локальные конфликты; Космос;

Уважаемые коллеги! Никто не может потырить из Джейнса про китайскую ракету?

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Там на обложке в ЖДВ, кстати, устрашающего вида Боинг 747 ( который для ПРО с лазером) в виде иллюстрации для планов США по поиску с воздуха самодельных взрывных устройств в Ираке и Афганистане

*Theories mount over online Chinese missile pictures
Two photographs - one showing two missiles on transporter erector launchers (TELs) and the other showing a TEL - were uploaded onto the Chinese Internet...
13-Aug-2007
http://jdw.janes.com/public/jdw/index.shtml
С уважением, А.Никольский

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От	Exeter
К	А.Никольский (14.08.2007 13:24:00)
Дата	14.08.2007 14:15:13

Это те самые фото, что уважаемый В.Кашин выкладывал

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Здравствуйте, уважаемый А.Никольский!

Jane's Defence Weekly - August 22, 2007


Theories mount over online Chinese missile pictures
Duncan Lennox, Editor, Jane's Strategic Weapon Systems


Two photographs - one showing two missiles on transporter erector launchers (TELs) and the other showing a TEL - were uploaded onto the Chinese Internet in late July.

There is speculation that they were placed there by the People's Liberation Army (PLA), although this cannot be confirmed.

The photographs have appeared on a number of China analyst websites, with some claiming they represent the new intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) known as Dong Feng 25 (DF-25), while others claim that the pictures are of the upgraded DF-21 IRBM.

Earlier reports on the DF-25 suggested that a two-stage solid-propellant missile with a range of 1,700 km, possibly using one or two motors from the DF-31 programme, was planned to enter service in 2000. However, by 1996 it was reported that this project had been halted, while the DF-21 missiles were being upgraded.

In 1999, reports indicated that the DF-25 programme had been restarted, with an expected in-service date of 2010 and a range of 2,500-3,200 km with up to three warheads. In early 2007 some unconfirmed reports suggested that the Chinese anti-satellite (ASAT) test launch on 18 January used a modified IRBM - either a DF-21 or a DF-25.

The view at Jane's is that these are probably genuine pictures of the DF-25 taken by the PLA. This suggests that the DF-25 project is now in service-evaluation trials and that an in-service date of 2008 might be expected.

The first picture shows two TEL vehicles, with the missile launch canisters raised to the vertical-launch position and with the vehicle stabilising jacks extended. The nose assemblies of the two canisters have been removed to show that there are two different nose shapes to the missiles. The front (right) missile has what appears to be a single re-entry vehicle (RV) shape, while the rear (left) missile has what could be described as a 3 RV nose shape.

One report suggested that the DF-25 has three RVs but it is believed that there are two alternatives. The missile canisters both have an unusual shape, with a large wrap-around extension piece about one third of the way down from the nose. This might be a major support and interconnecting section for the canister and the TEL when the canister is lowered into the horizontal travelling position.

The TEL is shown in the second picture, being carried on a flat-bed railway truck. This gives a good view of the construction of the wheeled TEL, which has five axles and probably carries a crew of three. The shape is typical of several modern TELs used by Russia, China and Pakistan and provides a clue as to the weight and dimensions of the DF-25.

Returning to the first picture, both TELs have several communications antennas and would therefore possibly be self-contained launch posts, adding to the flexibility of the overall system.

An initial analysis suggests that the DF-25 missile has a length of 14 m, a body diameter of 1.4 m and a launch weight of around 20,000 kg. The missile will have solid-propellant motors and may have one or two stages. The payload is probably in the region of 1,800 kg for the 3 RV version, with the nuclear warheads in the 100-200 kt range. The single RV version probably has a payload of 1,200 kg and the warhead might have a yield of 1 MT.

A report suggested that the maximum range was 3,200 km, but it is not known if this range refers to the heavier or lighter payloads. If the range is with the heavier 3 RV payload, then the range could be around 4,000 km with the single RV version.

An unconfirmed report stated that some new missiles had been seen at newly constructed sites around Delingha in Tibet, which has been a DF-4 intercontinental ballistic missile site for many years.

As the DF-25 missiles are mobile, they may well have several main bases in the future, but they will be able to move 1,500 km per day across the whole of China using the road or rail networks. This suggests that the DF-25 could put at risk a large area including Moscow, India, Japan and Guam.


In the first of two photos of Chinese IRBMs recently posted on the Internet, the nose assemblies of the TELs’ two canisters have been removed, revealing two different nose shapes to the missiles, thought to be the DF-25 (Unknown)



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In the second photo, the TEL vehicle’s shape is seen to be typical of several modern TELs used by Russia, China and Pakistan and provides a clue as to the weight and dimensions of the DF-25 (Unknown)


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>Там на обложке в ЖДВ, кстати, устрашающего вида Боинг 747 ( который для ПРО с лазером) в виде иллюстрации для планов США по поиску с воздуха самодельных взрывных устройств в Ираке и Афганистане

Бумажного варианта я не видел, а в электронной версии там на заставке изображен не Boeing 747 с лазером, а RC-135V Rivet Joint, которые используются в Ираке и Афганистане для задач радио- и радиотехнической разведки.


С уважением, Exeter

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От	В. Кашин
К	Exeter (14.08.2007 14:15:13)
Дата	14.08.2007 15:47:21

Все это пока ничем не подтвержденные версии

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Добрый день!

Слухи о DF-25 бродят с 1990-х, поэтому когда ракеты показали, все выбрали DF-25 как самую вероятную версию. Но на самом деле пока никто ничего не знает. Наряду с DF-25 можно вспомнить и другие китайские ракетные проекты, например, разрабатываемую китайцами (по крайней мере по утверждению Rand) противокорабельную БРСД или версию ОТР DF-15 с увеличенной до 900 км дальностью или что-то еще.

С уважением, Василий Кашин

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От	Exeter
К	В. Кашин (14.08.2007 15:47:21)
Дата	14.08.2007 15:52:07

Ну, текст - это типичное джейнсовское сосание пальца ноги :-)) (-)

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От	А.Никольский
К	Exeter (14.08.2007 14:15:13)
Дата	14.08.2007 14:49:29

Спасибо! Китайские "Пионер" значит. Неясно только как он до Москвы долетит:)

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This suggests that the DF-25 could put at risk a large area including Moscow, India, Japan and Guam.

С уважением, А.Никольский

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От	Лейтенант
К	А.Никольский (14.08.2007 14:49:29)
Дата	14.08.2007 14:58:05

Там написано, что

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1) Дальность 3200
2) Может перемещаться по всей китайской территории КНР :-)

От ближайшей китайской границы до москвы интересно сколько? Сдается мне тысячи 3 и есть ..

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От	Antenna
К	Лейтенант (14.08.2007 14:58:05)
Дата	14.08.2007 15:16:43

Но против вращения Земли получается. (-)

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От	Antenna
К	Лейтенант (14.08.2007 14:58:05)
Дата	14.08.2007 15:09:01

Почти вся граница Китая от Монголии до Афганистана 3100-3300км от Москвы (-)

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От	А.Никольский
К	А.Никольский (14.08.2007 13:24:00)
Дата	14.08.2007 14:08:06

спасибо, получил почтой! (-)

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