От	YanEvans
К	Llandaff
Дата	10.09.2008 20:22:44
Рубрики	Локальные конфликты;

Re: Переношу в...

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>Ниже дали ссылки на расшифровки. Я их посмотрел. Никакого "Грузины виноваты, они начали" в показаниях американцев не нашел.

Вот ссылка на слушания[ http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=281003-1 ]
Дана начинает говорить в 19:50 - перевели его нормально.

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От	RedThreat
К	YanEvans (10.09.2008 20:22:44)
Дата	11.09.2008 21:39:54

Re: Переношу в...

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Если поставить чекбокс Show Transcript - то видим справа стенограмму. Оратор, начавший в 00:19:53, заявил "Russians are right, we are wrong. Georgians started..."
В общем, все так, никаких вопросов.

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От	Pout
К	RedThreat (11.09.2008 21:39:54)
Дата	12.09.2008 09:41:58

Re: Переношу в...

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>Если поставить чекбокс Show Transcript - то видим справа стенограмму. Оратор, начавший в 00:19:53, заявил "Russians are right, we are wrong. Georgians started..."


совместно пытаются разобраться,реконструировать транскрипт Рорбакера, нарыл ссылки с эха и далее

http://www.echo.msk.ru/doc/539661-echo/comments.html#comment-273397

http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/testimony.asp?subnav=close

видео
http://international.edgeboss.net/real/international/fc09092008.smi

Рорбакер несколько раз, так что надо смотреть кусками

на 21-00

на 1-07-00

транскрипт:

REP. ROHRABACHER: Thank you, Mr. Berman.

Mr. Secretary, you've mentioned this long series of provocations
-- I don't know if I've pronounced it right -- provocations, okay.
Okay, I got tongue tied for a moment. So you've mentioned long series
of provocations -- and again, this to me is reminiscent of the Gulf of
Tonkin provocations which did not in any way justify what actions were
placed after that. Are you saying however then that this long list of
provocations justified the Georgian attack -- everyone agrees that
Georgia attacked and launched their military operations first against
Ossetia -- you're saying that the provocations justified that Georgian
attack?

MR. FRIED: No.

REP. ROHRABACHER: Okay, that's fine. It didn't. (Laughter.)
And I agree with that and obviously the -- anyway --

MR. FRIED: I --

REP. ROHRABACHER: -- let's get down -- okay, then they attacked
in great number. How many Ossetians were killed by the Georgians when
they came into Ossetia?

MR. FRIED: I don't know.

REP. ROHRABACHER: One hundred and fifty.

How many Georgians were killed after the Russians -- after the
Georgians came in and killed these Ossetians to try to terrorize them
back into -- under their submission to Tblisi and then the Russians
intervene -- how many Georgians were killed?

MR. FRIED: I'm not confident in very many of the statistics.

REP. ROHRABACHER: Okay, but 150 -- less than 150 in each case --
but near 150.

How many Serbs were killed by American military operations to
make sure that the Kosovars have their right of self determination?
About 500 is the answer, Mr. Secretary.

Now we can talk until we're blue in the face trying to say there
is no analogy here, but it doesn't cover up the obvious analogy
between Kosovo and what's going on in Georgia where you have breakaway
republics similar to what the Serbs face.

Now the only difference is of course, we're Americans and they're
Russians. And the people trying to breakaway there were pro-Russian.

Let me ask you, is it NATO's job now to make sure that any group
of people that want to be independent, like the Kosovars or let's say
the Ossetians -- that -- is it NATO's job now to force all of those
people -- utilize force and protect any nation that's using force
against people who want their own self-determination -- to protect
those governments who are using force to keep people from breaking
away and becoming independent and creating democratic self governing?

MR. FRIED: That is not NATO's job, although I disagree with you

видимо отсюда,но доступ ограничен
http://www.fednews.com/transcript.htm?id=20080909t6235

в 1:07:30 говорит этот текст:

REP. ROHRABACHER: "everyone agrees that
Georgia attacked and launched their military operations first against Ossetia"

http://situation.ru/

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От	Kalash
К	YanEvans (10.09.2008 20:22:44)
Дата	11.09.2008 01:09:02

Re: Переношу в...

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>>Ниже дали ссылки на расшифровки. Я их посмотрел. Никакого "Грузины виноваты, они начали" в показаниях американцев не нашел.
>
>Вот ссылка на слушания[ http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=281003-1 ]
>Дана начинает говорить в 19:50 - перевели его нормально.
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Если бы кто нибудь, компьютерно одарённый, вырезал бы выступление Даны и поместил сдесь, он бы оказал бы значительную усугу прогрессивному человечествую :)

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