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К bedal
Дата 09.10.2010 13:24:35
Рубрики Древняя история;

Порода "дестриэ": 800 - 1000 (+) кг при росте в холке 175 - 200 см

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"Стандартная европейская рыцарская лошадь" - потомок тяжеловозов времён великого переселения народов.

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От Рядовой-К
К фельдкурат Отто Кац (09.10.2010 13:24:35)
Дата 11.10.2010 13:51:09

Не знаю как на счёт веса

>Ite, missa est!

>"Стандартная европейская рыцарская лошадь" - потомок тяжеловозов времён великого переселения народов.

но касательно роста виденные мною лошадки на конюшнях именно такие. Они подходят в дистриеры? То что они оптимальны для кавалерии обр. 17-19 в. - это понятно :) А вот именно как на счёт дистриерства?
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От kegres
К фельдкурат Отто Кац (09.10.2010 13:24:35)
Дата 09.10.2010 13:43:38

На слонах тоже ездили

Но с техническими ухищрениями.

Изначально же, тезис о древних маломерках, был выдвинут в качестве одной из причин ненужности в ТО время седла.

Сами прикиньте - коняга в тонну весом, будет иметь ширину спины см 70-80. Это ширина письменного стола. Попробуйте сесть на него верхом ;)
Но с помощь седла это уже удаётся, и заметьте ноги всадника уже не будут низко свешиваться.

>"Стандартная европейская рыцарская лошадь" - потомок тяжеловозов времён великого переселения народов.

Ага, тягловая животина, но не верховая во времена великого переселения.
От фельдкурат Отто Кац
К фельдкурат Отто Кац (09.10.2010 13:24:35)
Дата 09.10.2010 13:30:27

Статья "Size of war horses"

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Size of war horses

There is dispute in medievalist circles over the size of the war horse, with some notable historians claiming a size of 17 to 18 hands (68 to 72 inches (170 to 180 cm)), as large as a modern Shire horse.[44] However, there are practical reasons for dispute over size. Analysis of existing horse armour located in the Royal Armouries indicates the equipment was originally worn by horses of 15 to 16 hands (60 to 64 inches (150 to 160 cm)),[45] or about the size and build of a modern field hunter or ordinary riding horse.[15] Research undertaken at the Museum of London, using literary, pictorial and archeological sources, supports military horses of 14-15 hands (56 to 60 inches (140 to 150 cm)), distinguished from a riding horse by its strength and skill, rather than its size.[46] This average does not seem to vary greatly across the medieval period. Horses appear to have been selectively bred for increased size from the ninth and tenth centuries,[47] and by the eleventh century the average warhorse was probably 14.2 to 15 hh (58 to 60 inches (150 to 150 cm)), a size verified by studies of Norman horseshoes as well as the depictions of horses on the Bayeux Tapestry.[48] Analysis of horse transports suggests thirteenth century destriers were a stocky build, and no more than 15-15.2 hands (60 to 62 inches (150 to 160 cm)).[49] Three centuries later, warhorses were not significantly bigger; the Royal Armouries used a 15.2 hand (62 inches (160 cm)) Lithuanian Heavy Draught mare as a model for the statues displaying various fifteenth-sixteenth century horse armours, as her body shape was an excellent fit.[50]


Ornate 16th century armour for horse and knight, and typical high saddle. Royal Armoury, StockholmPerhaps one reason for the pervasive belief that the medieval war horse had to be of draught horse type is the assumption, still held by many, that medieval armour was heavy. In fact, even the heaviest tournament armour (for knights) weighed little more than 90 pounds (41 kg), and field (war) armour 40 to 70 pounds (18 to 32 kg); barding, or horse armour, more common in tournaments than war, rarely weighed more than 70 pounds (32 kg).[51] For horses, Cuir bouilli (a type of hardened leather), and padded caparisons would have been more common,[52] and probably as effective.[53] Allowing for the weight of the rider and other equipment, horses can carry approximately 30% of their weight; thus such loads could certainly be carried by a heavy riding horse in the 1,200 to 1,300 pounds (540 to 590 kg) range, and a draught horse was not needed.[54]

Although a large horse is not required to carry an armoured knight, it is held by some historians that a large horse was desirable to increase the power of a lance strike.[55] However, practical experiments by re-enactors have suggested that the rider's weight and strength is of more relevance than the size of the mount, and that little of the horse's weight is translated to the lance.[56]

Further evidence for a 14-16 hand (56 to 64 inches (140 to 160 cm)) war horse is that it was a matter of pride to a knight to be able to vault onto his horse in full armour, without touching the stirrup. This arose not from vanity, but necessity: if unhorsed during battle, a knight would remain vulnerable if unable to mount by himself. In reality, of course, a wounded or weary knight might find it difficult, and rely on a vigilant squire to assist him. Incidentally, a knight's armour served in his favour in any fall. With his long hair twisted on his head to form a springy padding under his padded-linen hood, and his helm placed on top, he had head protection not dissimilar to a modern bicycle or equestrian helmet.[57]

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