От ZULU
К All
Дата 06.02.2002 19:15:33
Рубрики Современность; ВВС;

Ческие "грипены" - цена (развенчание скандала)?

Привет всем

Вчерась было сообчьение, что чехи закупили свои "грипены" чуть ли не за 80-90 млн. баксов за штуку.

Однако ческие источники указывают, мягко говоря, несколько меньшую цену. Цитирую (сорры, по аглицки, однако оригинал:

The Czech Republic signed a "Memorandum of Understanding" with the consortium BAE Systems and SAAB AB on the purchase of 36 supersonic Grippen jets worth CZK 50 billion (USD 140 million) on Tuesday. This action caused a certain amount of confusion among other companies competing for the same contract although the State Security Council stated that despite signing the memorandum it had not yet definitively decided to purchase the jets. The Council is expected to make its final decision on 15 April. Other interested companies include Boeing with its F/A-18, Lockheed Martin with F-16, French company Dassault with Mirage 2000 and Dasa with its Eurofighter.

Т.е., один "гриппен" выходит по цене менее 4 млн. баксов. Если без начинки, то вполне нормальная цена.


ЗУЛУ
От Marat
К ZULU (06.02.2002 19:15:33)
Дата 06.02.2002 20:22:52

вот две статьи

Hi!

...прошлого года где пишется что все ОК (то есть как и получилось)

Cu




Czech Rep: Fighters tender commission submits result next week
EUP20010905000429 Prague CTK in English 1209 GMT 5 Sep 01
Czech Rep: Fighters tender commission submits result next week

Text of report in English by Czech news agency CTK

cta0319 4 eng 261 TK20010905E01351 Czech-army-fighter-planes Fighters
tender commission submits result next week
PRAGUE, Sept 5 (CTK) - The tender commission, whose task is to evaluate
the offers of supersonic fighter-planes for the Czech army, wants to submit
the result of its work to four members of government next week, Stefan Fuele,
the commission's chief and first deputy defence minister told CTK today.
The process of evaluating the only left offer of Jas 39 - Gripen planes
had been finished on Monday and the commission then began to compile the
final document.
The ministers of defence, finance, industry and trade and foreign affairs
should submit the final report to the government in October.
"The commission focuses on technical aspects, while the ministers' report
for the government will contain a political standpoint," Fuele said. He added
that it was only up to the four ministers to decide how and when they would
discuss the commission's report.
In January, the government announced a tender for 24 to 36 new
fighting-planes, which are to replace old Soviet-made planes and, together
with combat planes, they should become the core of the Czech air force.
Mainly the price raises polemics about the appropriateness of such a buy.
Pilots, however, clearly express their need for the new fighter-planes.
Offset programmes, aimed to help the Czech economy, also represent an
important part of the tender.
According to the producer's August statement, the Czech government would
pay the Anglo-Sweden firm BAE Systems less than 50 billion crowns for 24
Gripens.
The company also earlier informed that the price for 36 supersonic
fighter-planes without weaponry, though including training and parts for a
three-year operation, would be less than 75 billion crowns. Estimates of the
Czech side were around 100 billion.
BAE Systems became the only bidder in the tender after American defence
aviation companies Boeing and Lockheed Martin had given up the tender with
their F-18/A and F-16 planes. Subsequently, also the European producer EADS
with Eurofighter planes and French company Dassault Aviation with Mirage
2000-5 planes withdrew from the tender.
The aim of the commission is not to compare the offer of Gripens against
the "zero variant", which means no planes would be bought at all, according
to Fuele. "The core of our work is to compare the offer with the order
documentation (of the tender)," Fuele told CTK.
Members of government should be the first to know whether the offer,
representing more than 40 kilograms of paper, complies with the order.
The issue of government agreement on such a great buy is not a matter of
the commission, Fuele said, adding that politicians will sooner or later have
to decide how to reach a consensus.
($1=38.051 crowns)
hbm/dr/ 051409 sep 01


source: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/

Prague unhappy with home-made fighter jets, eyes US aircraft

PRAGUE, Nov 5 (AFP) - 12:21 GMT - Czech Defence Minister Jaroslav
Tvrdik said on Monday he is unhappy with the L-159 Alca fighter jets made by
the country's Aero manufacturer, lamenting that they are unreliable and prone
to breakdowns.
The comments came as Czech Prime Minister Milos Zeman visits the
United States, where he could discuss the question of buying second-hand
F-16s, according to press reports.
"You can say, with only some exaggeration, that this plane has so far
proved to be more dangerous for its user than for a potential enemy," said
Tvrdik at a meeting of army commanders.
Aero, 35-percent owned by US manufactuer Boeing and based in
Vodochody, a northern Prague suburb, has already delivered 24 of the aircraft
under a 1997 deal for a total of 72 of the jets.
Delivery of the jets is behind scheduled. By now some 34 should be
have been supplied, under the terms of the original contract.
But the Czech army only plans to use half of the aircraft, intending
to re-sell 36 jets or exchange them for military equipment, Tvrdik said
earlier.
Meanwhile Zeman is due to decide this month on the acquisition of 24
or 36 supersonic fighter jets to replace MiG-21 and Sukhoi Su-22s dating from
the Soviet era.
The Anglo-Swedish consortium SAAB-Bae Systems, offering 36 Gripen jets
for less than 2.2 billion euros (1.98), is the only constructor still in the
running for the contract, after the withdrawal of several others including US
Lockheed Martin, maker of the F-16.
According to Czech press reports, Washington recently proposed selling
24 second-hand supersonic F-16s, in exchange for the same number of L-159s.
Aero could also participate in renovating the second-hand F-16s, which
would require 15-30 billion koruna (450-900 million euros) in investment,
according to experts.
The L-159 Alca, which uses Itec F-124 jet engines designed by the
American Allied Signal, is a subsonic fighter jet which meets the standards
of NATO, which the Czech Republic joined in March 1999. They also include
equipment from US company Rockwell.
От ZULU
К ZULU (06.02.2002 19:15:33)
Дата 06.02.2002 19:19:34

Дополнение-ИМХО, РИА-Новости ошиблась в переводе курса кроны вс. доллар (-)
От Василий Фофанов
К ZULU (06.02.2002 19:19:34)
Дата 06.02.2002 19:24:12

Да нет, это в Вашей статейке ошибка!

Потому что 50 млрд.крон - это 1,5 млрд. долларов. Крона примерно равна одному рублю. так что именно 40 млн баксов за голый самолет. Некисло!

С уважением, Василий Фофанов, http://members.dencity.com/fofanov/Tanks
От Marat
К Василий Фофанов (06.02.2002 19:24:12)
Дата 06.02.2002 20:18:43

да и просто...

Hi!

...из логичных соображений - саабовцы с Луны спрыгнули чтоли 36 машин за 140 млн. долл. продавать? То есть как вертолеты...
Имхо это ниже себестоимости почти на порядок - кто разницу для производсвта покрывать будет?

Cu