От Вельф
К Chestnut
Дата 01.03.2013 15:45:39
Рубрики WWII; Современность; Память;

Re: В любой...

>в качестве примера как изучают ВМВ в английских школах в возрасте 11-14 лет:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks3/history/20th_century/second_world_war/revision/2/

Там им Суворов тескт писал?The Soviets enter the war

"For a long time, Soviet historians presented a view of Russia's war which explained Nazi successes in 1941 in terms of Hitler's surprise attack and better weapons.
After 1989, historians were able to access Russian records and found out that:
Stalin intended to invade Germany in 1941 – but Hitler beat him to it by two weeks.
The Soviet army was well-prepared and well-armed. It was defeated because it had been weakened by Stalin, who had executed many of the generals.*
Т.е. русские хотели вторгнуться, да Гитлер упредил.
Красная Армия была хорошо вооружена и готова, а Сталин всех расстрелял.

С уважением,
Вельф

От Chestnut
К Вельф (01.03.2013 15:45:39)
Дата 01.03.2013 16:42:08

Re: В любой...

>>в качестве примера как изучают ВМВ в английских школах в возрасте 11-14 лет:
>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks3/history/20th_century/second_world_war/revision/2/
>
>Там им Суворов тескт писал?The Soviets enter the war

>"For a long time, Soviet historians presented a view of Russia's war which explained Nazi successes in 1941 in terms of Hitler's surprise attack and better weapons.
>After 1989, historians were able to access Russian records and found out that:
> Stalin intended to invade Germany in 1941 – but Hitler beat him to it by two weeks.
> The Soviet army was well-prepared and well-armed. It was defeated because it had been weakened by Stalin, who had executed many of the generals.*
>Т.е. русские хотели вторгнуться, да Гитлер упредил.
>Красная Армия была хорошо вооружена и готова, а Сталин всех расстрелял.

кстати, а где колнкретно это написано? потому что по линку идёт следующее:

In June 1941, Hitler invaded Russia, known as Operation Barbarossa. This brought Russia into the war. The failure of Operation Barbarossa was the first major German defeat.




'Бій відлунав. Жовто-сині знамена затріпотіли на станції знов'
От Novik
К Chestnut (01.03.2013 16:42:08)
Дата 01.03.2013 17:36:40

Re: На шестой странице (-)
От Chestnut
К Novik (01.03.2013 17:36:40)
Дата 01.03.2013 17:45:30

а, ну так там типа всякие острые темы освещены

причём не только по СССР

In 1961, however, AJP Taylor argued that Hitler had no grand plan to start a war – he simply grabbed opportunities as they came along. Taylor blamed the British and French politicians who appeased Hitler, which allowed him to think they were pushovers.

Soviet historians agreed with Taylor. They believed that British politicians in the 1930s actively encouraged Hitler, hoping that Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia would destroy each other in a huge war.

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Some have claimed the American President Franklin D Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor, but let it happen to give an excuse to declare war on Germany. Most believe that America came gradually to believe in intervention, and put Pearl Harbor down just to incompetence.

Gabriel Kolko (1968) claimed that the Americans used the war to build up their economy at the expense of Britain and Russia.



'Бій відлунав. Жовто-сині знамена затріпотіли на станції знов'
От Chestnut
К Вельф (01.03.2013 15:45:39)
Дата 01.03.2013 15:51:04

да, наверняка влияние Суворова, некритично воспринятого (-)
От Паршев
К Chestnut (01.03.2013 15:51:04)
Дата 01.03.2013 16:16:52

Это версия Алоизыча, тогда же усиленно распространявшаяся (-)