От Михаил Лукин
К All
Дата 18.04.2002 20:44:14
Рубрики Современность;

Товарищи летчики! Определите тип самолета в Милане!

По фоткам -- там хвост вроде торчит. Говорят, Piper Warrior-3. Это так или нет? Help!

С уважением, Лукин, http://www.kommersant.ru/
От Михаил Лукин
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 20:44:14)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:56:40

едрить, это rocwell commander ! (-)
От Venik
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 20:44:14)
Дата 18.04.2002 20:56:13

Re: Товарищи летчики!...

Мое почтение!

Вот фотки Piper Warrior...



и Piper Warrior II



С уважением, Venik
От Михаил Лукин
К Venik (18.04.2002 20:56:13)
Дата 18.04.2002 20:59:12

Вот спасибо. Я нашел сайт The New Piper Aircraft, Inc. и мы им щас звоним (+)

Только фоток нету -- на РИА оказалась лажа дешевая...
Просто самолетов, в названии которых есть слово Piper, я подозреваю -- до хрена. Тот же Piper L-4 Grasshopper, Piper Cherokee 140.
Какие есть идеи?

С ув.,
Лукин
От Venik
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 20:59:12)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:15:55

инфа по самолету и производителю

Мое почтение!

PIPER - THE NEW PIPER AIRCRAFT INC
MANUFACTURER DETAILS
2926 Piper Drive, Vero Beach, Florida 32960
Tel: (+1 561) 567 43 61
Fax: (+1 561) 778 21 44
Web: http://www.newpiper.com
President and CEO: Charles (Chuck) M Suma
Vice-President, Product Services: Werner Hartlieb
Marketing and Sales Director: Larry Bardon
In July 1995, after Piper had stabilised its financial position during four years of Chapter 11 protection,
the US Bankruptcy Court approved a new reorganisation plan under which Piper's assets were bought
for US$95 million by Newco Pac Inc, a new company jointly owned by Philadelphia-based investment
firm Dimeling, Schreiber and Park, Teledyne Continental Motors (which was Piper's largest creditor),
and the remaining creditors. Under this ownership, The New Piper Aircraft Inc was established. Earlier
history of Piper last appeared in the 1995-96 Jane's.
During 1999, Piper delivered 329 aircraft, 395 in 2000 and expected to deliver 530 in 2001.
Workforce 1,400 by October 2000, rising to 1,500 in 2001. Gross revenue forecast at US$300 million in
2001, rising to US$500 million by 2004.
Kits and parts for classic Pipers are available from other outlets. These include: J-3 Cub: See Wag-Aero Sport trainer. Replacement fuselages (standard and with additional 10 cm;
4 in cockpit width) from Airframes Inc, Big Lake, Alaska 99652; tel (+1 907) 892 82 44;
http://www.supercubs.com.
PA-8 Skycycle: See Carlson Skycycle.
PA-12 Super Cruiser: Fuselages manufactured by Dakota Air Frame Inc, 1372 Cleveland
Avenue, Larchwood, Iowa 51241; tel/fax (+1 712) 477 20 84.
PA-14 Family Cruiser: See Wag-Aero Sportsman.
PA-15 Vagabond: See Wag-Aero Wag-A-Bond.
PA-18 Super Cub: Fuselages from Airframes Inc (see J-3 Cub).


THE NEW PIPER AIRCRAFT INC
PIPER PA-28-161 WARRIOR III
Type
Four-seat lightplane.
Programme
As replacement for Cherokee 140 series, Piper redesigned airframe with several refinements, including
fuselage stretch and new wing; first flight of prototype PA-28-151 17 October 1972; FAA certification 9
August 1973; PA-28-161 Warrior II first flown 27 August 1976; two/four-seat Cadet trainer version introduced
April 1988, but no longer in production; Warrior III introduced late 1994.
Customers
Five delivered in 1996, seven in 1997, 20 in 1998, 25 in 1999, 43 in 2000 and 14 in the first six months of
2001. Piper has built some 30,000 of PA-28 series since prototype Cherokee flew on 10 January 1960.
Costs
Standard equipped price US$152,500 (2000).
Design Features
Classic tourer and trainer. Low, moderately tapered wing (with root glove) and low-set tailplane; sweptback
fin.
NACA 65 2 -415 wing section on inboard panels, Mod No. 5 of NACA TN 2228 on leading-edge of outboard panels; dihedral 7º, incidence 2º at root, -1º at tip; sweepback at quarter-chord 5º.
Flying Controls
Manual. Conventional ailerons and rudder, plus all-moving tailplane with combined anti-servo and trim tab.
Four-position manually operated flaps.
Structure
Conventional light alloy, with semi-monocoque fuselage, single-spar wings and ribbed light alloy skins on fin
and tailplane; glass fibre nose cowl and wing/tailplane/fin-tips.
Landing Gear
Non-retractable tricycle type. Steerable nosewheel. Piper oleo-pneumatic shock-absorbers; single wheel on
each unit. Cleveland wheels with tyres size 6.00-6 (4 ply) on main units, pressure 1.65 bars (24 lb/sq in).
Cleveland nosewheel and tyre size 5.00-5 (4 ply), pressure 2.06 bars (30 lb/sq in). Cleveland disc brakes.
Parking brake. Glass fibre speed fairings standard.
Power Plant
One 119 kW (160 hp) Textron Lycoming O-320-D3G flat-four engine, driving a Sensenich 74DM6-0-60
two-blade fixed-pitch metal propeller. Fuel in two wing tanks, with total capacity of 189 litres (50.0 US
gallons; 41.6 Imp gallons), of which 181.5 litres (48.0 US gallons; 40.0 Imp gallons) are usable. Refuelling
point on upper surface of each wing. Oil capacity 7.5 litres (2.0 US gallons; 1.7 Imp gallons).
Accommodation
Four persons in pairs in enclosed cabin. Individual horizontally adjustable front seats with seat belts and
shoulder harnesses; bench-type rear seat with seat belts and shoulder harnesses. Dual controls standard. Large
door on starboard side. Baggage compartment at rear of cabin, with external baggage door on starboard side.
Heating, ventilation and windscreen defrosting standard.
Systems
Hydraulic system for brakes only. Electrical system powered by 28 V 60 A engine-driven alternator. 24 V
10 Ah battery standard.
Avionics
Standard and optional Advanced Training Group packages by Garmin/Meggitt, as described.
Comms: Standard: Garmin GNS-430 com/nav/IFR GPS; GMA-340 audio panel with marker beacon
lights and four-position intercom; GTX-320 transponder; ELT; avionics master switch; cabin speaker; Telex
100T microphone and Airman 760 headset. Advanced Training Group: as above but with dual GNS-430.
Flight: Standard: GI-106A VOR/LOC/GS/GPS indicator; Narco AR-850 altitude reporter. Advanced
Training Group: as above, plus dual GI-106A and RCR 650A ADF with IND 650A indicator.
Instrumentation: Piper true airspeed indicator, magnetic compass, sensitive altimeter, gyro horizon,
directional gyro, rate of turn indicator, rate of climb indicator, OAT gauge, digital ammeter, electric clock,
annunciator panel with push-to-test, recording tachometer, three-way oil temperature/pressure and
fuel-pressure gauge, dual fuel quantity gauges and vacuum gauge.
Equipment
Standard equipment includes engine hour recorder, alternate static source, heated pitot head, colour
co-ordinated control wheels, internally lit rocker switches, external power receptacle, electrical engine primer
system, instrument panel lighting package, cabin dome light, navigation lights, landing/taxying light, wingtip
Comet strobe lights, avionics dimming switch, pilot's and co-pilot's vertically adjustable seats in fabric and
vinyl with magazine storage pockets on backs, rear bench seat, four floor-mounted cabin fresh-air vents, vinyl cabin side panels, wall-to-wall carpet and headliner, crew armrests, pilot's storm window, two sun visors, two
map pockets, `Quietised' soundproofing, carpeted baggage compartment with security straps, halon fire
extinguisher, tiedown points, jack pads, static discharge wicks, and Du Pont Imron polyurethane exterior paint
in base colour with two contrasting trim stripes. Meggitt electric trim, carburettor ice detector, second
altimeter, two-tone base colour exterior paint and foreign certification gross weight kit optional.
Dimensions, External
Wing span 10.67 m (35 ft 0 in)
Wing chord: at root, excl glove 1.60 m (5 ft 3 in)
at tip 1.07 m (3 ft 6¼ in)
Wing aspect ratio 7.2
Length overall 7.25 m (23 ft 9½ in)
Height overall 2.22 m (7 ft 3½ in)
Tailplane span 3.96 m (12 ft 11½ in)
Wheel track 3.05 m (10 ft 0 in)
Wheelbase 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in)
Propeller diameter 1.88 m (6 ft 2 in)
Propeller ground clearance 0.21 m (8¼ in)
Cabin door: Height 0.89 m (2 ft 11 in)
Width 0.91 m (3 ft 0 in)
Baggage door: Height 0.51 m (1 ft 8 in)
Max width 0.56 m (1 ft 10 in)
Height to sill 0.71 m (2 ft 4 in)
Dimensions, Internal
Cabin (instrument panel to rear bulkhead):
Length 2.49 m (8 ft 2 in)
Max width 1.05 m (3 ft 5¼ in)
Max height 1.14 m (3 ft 8½ in)
Floor area 2.28 m 2 (24.5 sq ft)
Volume (incl baggage) 3.0 m 3 (106 cu ft)
Baggage compartment volume 0.68 m 3 (24.0 cu ft)
Areas
Wings, gross 15.79 m 2 (170.0 sq ft)
Ailerons (total) 1.23 m 2 (13.20 sq ft)
Trailing-edge flaps (total) 1.36 m 2 (14.60 sq ft)
Fin 0.69 m 2 (7.40 sq ft)
Rudder 0.38 m 2 (4.10 sq ft)
Tailplane, incl tab 2.76 m 2 (29.70 sq ft)
Weights and Loadings
Weight empty, equipped 695 kg (1,533 lb)
Baggage capacity 91 kg (200 lb)
Max T-O weight 1,106 kg (2,440 lb)
Max wing loading 70.1 kg/m 2 (14.35 lb/sq ft)
Max power loading 9.28 kg/kW (15.25 lb/hp)
Performance
Max level speed 117 kt (216 km/h; 134 mph)
Normal cruising speed at 75% power 115 kt (213 km/h; 132 mph)
Stalling speed: flaps up 50 kt (93 km/h; 58 mph)
flaps down 44 kt (82 km/h; 51 mph)
Max rate of climb at S/L 196 m (644 ft)/min
Service ceiling 3,355 m (11,000 ft)
T-O to 15 m (50 ft) 494 m (1,620 ft)
Landing from 15 m (50 ft) 354 m (1,160 ft)
Range, 45 min reserves:
at 75% power 426 n miles (789 km; 490 miles)
at 55% power at 3,050 m (10,000 ft) 513 n miles (950 km; 590 miles)

Height (m): 2.22
Length (m): 7.25
Max Level Speed (kts): 117
Max Range (nm): 426
Max Rate Climb (m/min): 196
Max T-O Weight (kg): 1106
Max Wing Load (kg/m 2 ): 70.1
Service Ceiling (m): 3355
Wing Span (m): 10.67

С уважением, Venik
От Михаил Лукин
К Venik (18.04.2002 21:15:55)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:48:52

Черт, поздно прочел Вашу справку, (+)

не успел вставить про начало производство и количество проданных. Это бы расцветило заметку...

С уважением, Лукин, http://www.kommersant.ru/
От Venik
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 21:48:52)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:58:24

инфа из итальянской прессы

Мое почтение!

http://www.unita.it/index.asp?SEZIONE_COD=HP&TOPIC_TIPO=&TOPIC_ID=12385

Если правильно понял, пилот Луиджи Фасуло, 75 лет, уроженец Прегассоны. Двухмоторный самолет взлетел из Локарно после пяти вечера во время посадки выявилась проблема с шасси. Пилот включил аварийный позывной и пошел на второй заход.

С уважением, Venik
От Venik
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 20:59:12)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:08:54

фотки есть на airliners.net

Мое почтение!

Сделай поиск по фирме "Piper Other" и введи ключевое слово warrior iii. Там есть вот это но большего формата:









А фотки из Милана есть? А то окажется что не Piper и вообще не самолет а Альфа Ромео и не в дом а в грузовик :)

С уважением, Venik
От Михаил Лукин
К Venik (18.04.2002 21:08:54)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:24:53

Спасибо. Но теперь AFP пишет про "Air-Commander type aircraft." Это что? (-)
От Venik
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 21:24:53)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:34:26

Есть Rockwell Aero Commander...

Мое почтение!

http://www.nc.noaa.gov/aoc/aircraft/shrike/shrike.html

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=223196&WxsIERv=QWVybyBDb21tYW5kZXIgNjkwIFR1cmJvIENvbW1hbmRlcg%3D%3D&WdsYXMg=UHJpdmF0ZQ%3D%3D&QtODMg=U3lkbmV5IC0gQmFua3N0b3duIChCV1UgLyBZU0JLKQ%3D%3D&ERDLTkt=QXVzdHJhbGlhIC0gTmV3IFNvdXRoIFdhbGVz&ktODMp=RGVjZW1iZXIgMzAsIDIwMDE%3D&WNEb25u=RnJhbmsgU2NoYWVmZXI%3D&xsIERvdWdsY=VkgtQUFH&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=Nzk%3D&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMi0wMy0xMw%3D%3D&static=yes

С уважением, Venik
От Venik
К Venik (18.04.2002 21:34:26)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:36:43

вот, кстати, Швейцарский

Мое почтение!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=201303&WxsIERv=QWVybyBDb21tYW5kZXIgNjgwRkwgR3JhbmQgQ29tbWFuZGVy&WdsYXMg=QnVuZGVzYW10IGb8ciBMYW5kZXN0b3BvZ3JhcGhpZQ%3D%3D&QtODMg=QnVvY2hzIChTdGFucykgKExTTVUp&ERDLTkt=U3dpdHplcmxhbmQ%3D&ktODMp=T2N0b2JlciAyNiwgMjAwMQ%3D%3D&WNEb25u=Q2hyaXMgV2FzZXI%3D&xsIERvdWdsY=SEItR0NQ&MgTUQtODMgKE=QW5kIHRoYXQncyBteSBzaGFkb3cgaW4gdGhlIGdyZWVuLg%3D%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=MTU3&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMS0xMS0xNA%3D%3D&static=yes

С уважением, Venik
От Venik
К Venik (18.04.2002 21:36:43)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:41:51

еще один

Мое почтение!

Вроде Лента сообщила что самолет Швейцарский. Этому есть подтверждение?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=182111&WxsIERv=QWVybyBDb21tYW5kZXIgNjgwRkwgR3JhbmQgQ29tbWFuZGVy&WdsYXMg=QnVuZGVzYW10IGb8ciBMYW5kZXN0b3BvZ3JhcGhpZQ%3D%3D&QtODMg=QnVvY2hzIChTdGFucykgKExTTVUp&ERDLTkt=U3dpdHplcmxhbmQ%3D&ktODMp=SnVseSAyOSwgMjAwMQ%3D%3D&WNEb25u=Q2hhcmxlcyBGYWxr&xsIERvdWdsY=SEItR0NQ&MgTUQtODMgKE=KGNuIDY4MEZMLTE2MzMtMTE5KS4gU3RvcmVkIG5lYXIgU3RhbnMgLSB0aGUgdG93biBJIGdyZXcgdXAgaW4uIEJlaGluZCBpdCBhcmUgYSBudW1iZXIgb2YgTWlyYWdlIElJSSBmaWdodGVycyBpbiB0aGUgcHJvY2VzcyBvZiBiZWluZyBzb2xkIGZvciBzY3JhcC4gSSB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIHRoYXQgc29tZW9uZSBib3VnaHQgb25lIG9mIHRoZSBlamVjdGlvbiBzZWF0cyB0byBpbnN0YWxsIGluIGhpcyBsaXZpbmcgcm9vbSEgSXQncyByYXRoZXIgc2FkIGZvciBtZSwgYXMgSSByZW1lbWJlciB0aGVzZSBhbmQgb3RoZXIgZmlnaHRlcnMgcm9hcmluZyBkb3duIHRoZSB2YWxsZXkgcGFzdCBvdXIgaG91c2UgMzArIHllYXJzIGFnby4%3D&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=Mzg2&NEb25uZWxs=MjAwMS0wOC0xMA%3D%3D&static=yes

С уважением, Venik
От Михаил Лукин
К Venik (18.04.2002 21:41:51)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:44:54

Re: еще один


>Мое почтение!

>Вроде Лента сообщила что самолет Швейцарский. Этому есть подтверждение?
Да бардак творится в агентствах. То ли летел из Софии через Швейцарию, то ли из Лозанны... Но аир-коммандер -- двухдвигательный, а тут вроде речь шла про одномоторный... Но Вам спасибо огромное.
С уважением,
Лукин
От Дмитрий Адров
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 21:24:53)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:28:57

Миша, дайте исходную инфу!

Здравия желаю!

неясно о чем вы.

Дмитрий Адров
От Михаил Лукин
К Дмитрий Адров (18.04.2002 21:28:57)
Дата 18.04.2002 21:30:13

А вот -- http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/3/co/273247.htm (-)
От Cliver
К Михаил Лукин (18.04.2002 20:44:14)
Дата 18.04.2002 20:50:39

Фоты скинь! (-)