От AMX
К Skvortsov
Дата 24.02.2021 21:36:22
Рубрики Современность; ВВС;

Re: Про крышки...

>Feb. 6, 1985 12 AM PT

>In response to a fast-emerging brouhaha over toilets this week, Lockheed Corp. said Tuesday that it has drastically reduced the price of 54 toilet covers for its Navy P-3 Orion aircraft.
>Lockheed President Lawrence Kitchen sent a telegram to Navy Secretary John Lehman on Tuesday saying that Lockheed would cut the cost of the toilet part to $100 each from the original price of $640.09.
>The part in question is a molded fiberglass cover that encloses the stainless steel bowl and plumbing of the toilet on the Navy anti-submarine patrol aircraft.
>The Navy had ordered 54 of the units at an original total cost of $34,564.86. In the course of a Navy audit, Burbank-based Lockheed told the Navy last week that it had overcharged for the covers by $4,600.
>Lockheed agreed to refund the difference, a company spokesman said Tuesday.
>But the matter did not die. This week several congressmen alleged in hearings that Lockheed had charged $600 for “toilet seats.”
>The Pentagon issued a statement Monday saying that it was investigating the high cost of the item. As national interest in the issue mounted, Kitchen decided to cut the price.
>The firm says it is losing a considerable amount in the gesture. A spokesman suggested that the Navy try to find a cheaper producer of the unit.

>Kitchen said in his wire to Lehman that Lockheed earned $4.1 million on $40.5 million in spare parts sales on the P-3 Orion in 1984, a pretax profit of slightly more than 10%, which Kitchen said “is not out of hand.”

Да, да так и отговариваются. При этом сиденья для унитазов в цене растут. Каждый раз забывают про эпоксидку с стекловолокном и про 3D принтеры, как в недавней истории про них же, но по 10000$ и 14000$.
И да, для тех кто не знает сколько стоит пресс форма отмазка прокатывает.
От Skvortsov
К AMX (24.02.2021 21:36:22)
Дата 24.02.2021 21:57:04

Ну какие в 1984 году 3D принтеры, о чем Вы пишите...


>И да, для тех кто не знает сколько стоит пресс форма отмазка прокатывает.

Ну и сколько она в США в 1984 г. стоила?
От AMX
К Skvortsov (24.02.2021 21:57:04)
Дата 24.02.2021 22:11:02

Re: Ну какие

Это вы не читаете, даже то, что постите

In response to a fast-emerging brouhaha over toilets this week, Lockheed Corp. said Tuesday that it has drastically reduced the price of 54 toilet covers for its Navy P-3 Orion aircraft.
Lockheed President Lawrence Kitchen sent a telegram to Navy Secretary John Lehman on Tuesday saying that Lockheed would cut the cost of the toilet part to $100 each from the original price of $640.09.

где написано, что в 86-ом удалось снизить стоимость за 100$ за штуку, используя эпоксидку и стекловолокно.

И не читаете что вам пишут тоже. 3D принтеры это уже новейшая история за 2018г., где вспомнили про 3D принтеры.

>>И да, для тех кто не знает сколько стоит пресс форма отмазка прокатывает.
>
>Ну и сколько она в США в 1984 г. стоила?

Вам уже ответили. И вы сами можете в гугле поинтересоваться расценками. И не забывайте, что в 1986 тоже самое было дешевле в $ у них.
От Skvortsov
К AMX (24.02.2021 22:11:02)
Дата 24.02.2021 22:18:25

Re: Ну какие

>Это вы не читаете, даже то, что постите

>In response to a fast-emerging brouhaha over toilets this week, Lockheed Corp. said Tuesday that it has drastically reduced the price of 54 toilet covers for its Navy P-3 Orion aircraft.
>Lockheed President Lawrence Kitchen sent a telegram to Navy Secretary John Lehman on Tuesday saying that Lockheed would cut the cost of the toilet part to $100 each from the original price of $640.09.

>где написано, что в 86-ом удалось снизить стоимость за 100$ за штуку, используя эпоксидку и стекловолокно.

Там другое написано. Попросите знающего английский Вам текст правильно перевести.
От AMX
К Skvortsov (24.02.2021 22:18:25)
Дата 24.02.2021 22:28:05

Re: Ну какие

>>Это вы не читаете, даже то, что постите
>
>>In response to a fast-emerging brouhaha over toilets this week, Lockheed Corp. said Tuesday that it has drastically reduced the price of 54 toilet covers for its Navy P-3 Orion aircraft.
>>Lockheed President Lawrence Kitchen sent a telegram to Navy Secretary John Lehman on Tuesday saying that Lockheed would cut the cost of the toilet part to $100 each from the original price of $640.09.
>
>>где написано, что в 86-ом удалось снизить стоимость за 100$ за штуку, используя эпоксидку и стекловолокно.
>
>Там другое написано. Попросите знающего английский Вам текст правильно перевести.

Там написано про "would cut the cost of the toilet part to $100 each from the original price of $640.09", про замену термоформованого поликарбоната на эпоксидку и стекловолокно не написано, но вы можете поискать и найти.
От Skvortsov
К AMX (24.02.2021 22:28:05)
Дата 24.02.2021 22:37:27

Re: Ну какие

>>>Это вы не читаете, даже то, что постите
>>
>>>In response to a fast-emerging brouhaha over toilets this week, Lockheed Corp. said Tuesday that it has drastically reduced the price of 54 toilet covers for its Navy P-3 Orion aircraft.
>>>Lockheed President Lawrence Kitchen sent a telegram to Navy Secretary John Lehman on Tuesday saying that Lockheed would cut the cost of the toilet part to $100 each from the original price of $640.09.
>>
>>>где написано, что в 86-ом удалось снизить стоимость за 100$ за штуку, используя эпоксидку и стекловолокно.
>>
>>Там другое написано. Попросите знающего английский Вам текст правильно перевести.
>
>Там написано про "would cut the cost of the toilet part to $100 each from the original price of $640.09", про замену термоформованого поликарбоната на эпоксидку и стекловолокно не написано, но вы можете поискать и найти.

Написано, что molded fiberglass cover стоили $34,564.86 за 54 штуки.

The part in question is a molded fiberglass cover that encloses the stainless steel bowl and plumbing of the toilet on the Navy anti-submarine patrol aircraft.
The Navy had ordered 54 of the units at an original total cost of $34,564.86.

Фирма пошла на убытки, снизив цену до 100 долларов.
От AMX
К Skvortsov (24.02.2021 22:37:27)
Дата 24.02.2021 22:57:09

Re: Ну какие

>Написано, что molded fiberglass cover стоили $34,564.86 за 54 штуки.

>The part in question is a molded fiberglass cover that encloses the stainless steel bowl and plumbing of the toilet on the Navy anti-submarine patrol aircraft.
>The Navy had ordered 54 of the units at an original total cost of $34,564.86.

>Фирма пошла на убытки, снизив цену до 100 долларов.

https://books.google.ru/books?id=kpg4DgAAQBAJ&pg=PT153&lpg=PT153#v=onepage&q&f=false

designed to be of light weight, corrosive resistant, thermo- formed, polycarbonate material, seamless, and sufficiently durable to withstand repeated usage and aircraft landings

Изготовлен из термоформированного поликарбоната. 100$ возникли из возмущенных выступлений в Конгрессе, где указывали, что тоже самое можно сделать на коленке из стекловолокна и смолы.


От Skvortsov
К AMX (24.02.2021 22:57:09)
Дата 24.02.2021 23:16:25

Re: Ну какие

>>Написано, что molded fiberglass cover стоили $34,564.86 за 54 штуки.
>
>>The part in question is a molded fiberglass cover that encloses the stainless steel bowl and plumbing of the toilet on the Navy anti-submarine patrol aircraft.
>>The Navy had ordered 54 of the units at an original total cost of $34,564.86.
>
>>Фирма пошла на убытки, снизив цену до 100 долларов.
>
> https://books.google.ru/books?id=kpg4DgAAQBAJ&pg=PT153&lpg=PT153#v=onepage&q&f=false

>designed to be of light weight, corrosive resistant, thermo- formed, polycarbonate material, seamless, and sufficiently durable to withstand repeated usage and aircraft landings

>Изготовлен из термоформированного поликарбоната. 100$ возникли из возмущенных выступлений в Конгрессе, где указывали, что тоже самое можно сделать на коленке из стекловолокна и смолы.



Читаем New York Times:

A Senator succeeded today in getting a major Pentagon contractor to lower the cost of an aircraft toilet seat to $200 from $640. But the Navy went one step further by late afternoon, obtaining a final price of $100.
The Senator, William V. Roth Jr., a Delaware Republican who is chairman of the Governmental Affairs Committee, said he learned of the humble seat and its fancy price at the end of January from a manufacturer who was interested in competing for the toilet contract.
Assembly No. 941673
The part is used on Navy's P3-C Orions, submarine-hunter airplanes used along the nation's coastlines.

Built by the Lockheed-California Company, the plastic and fiberglass ''toilet cover assembly No. 941673- 101,'' as the Pentagon refers to it, fits over the lavatory holding tank.

It was ''designed to be of light weight, corrosive resistant, thermo- formed, polycarbonate material, seamless, and sufficiently durable to withstand repeated usage and aircraft landings,'' according to a Lockheed description. The Navy bought 54 of them last year.

Letter to Navy Secretary
In a letter Friday to Navy Secretary John F. Lehman Jr., the president of Lockheed, Lawrence O. Kitchen, said that a company review had determined that its actual cost of labor and overhead costs as well as ''handling charges, material and pretax 13.4 percent profit rate should have resulted in an actual unit price of $554.78 versus the average of $640.09 charged to the Government.''
''This could lead one to believe that all spares are overpriced, but such is not the case,'' Mr. Kitchen added, noting that Lockheed would soon send the Government a check for $4,606.74 to refund the difference.
Mr. Roth said that Lockheed informed him today that the company would ''policy price'' the toilet seat at $200 and refund $23,760 for the order.
But by late afternoon Mr. Kitchen sent Mr. Lehman a telegram lowering the cost of the deal to a ''token price'' of $100 each ''in order to put the thing to rest,'' according to a Lockheed spokesman, Jim Ragsdale.
''To prevent this becoming an unnecessary diversion during Congressional discussions of the national defense budget,'' the telegram said, Lockheed would absorb its actual costs and refund the Government $29,165.
'We Are Serious'
''We are pleased that Lockheed has agreed to reduce the price,'' said Lawrence J. Korb, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for logistics. ''We are serious in our efforts to obtain favorable and reasonable prices whenever we discover a potential out- of-line pricing situation.''
A Pentagon spokesman said the Defense Logistics Agency put the toilet part up for competitive bidding in January but called the contest off after determining that the quoted price was too high. An aide to Mr. Roth said the postponement came only after queries by the Senator on behalf of a small manufacturer who was having difficulties entering the bidding process.

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/02/06/us/price-of-toilet-seat-is-cut-for-navy.html

От vavilon
К Skvortsov (24.02.2021 21:57:04)
Дата 24.02.2021 22:03:27

с большим запасом, сотня станко-часов по 200 баксов

цена человеко*часа включена.
От Skvortsov
К vavilon (24.02.2021 22:03:27)
Дата 24.02.2021 22:17:01

Не. Сначала чертеж изделия приведите, потом я Вам поверю. (-)