От Said Aminov
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Китайский Иджис

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Вот нашел в сети

Это видимо китайский крейсер/эсминец проекта 170. А какое у него будет вооружение ПВО? Неужели 300-ка?

С уважением, Вестник ПВО ( http://pvo.guns.ru , http://www.pvo.ru )
От В. Кашин
К Said Aminov (23.04.2003 12:51:58)
Дата 23.04.2003 15:21:36

Скорее морская версия FT-2000.

Добрый день!

Это такой очень своеобразный китайский ЗРК, вероятно частично содранный с 300-ки, но имеющий ПАССИВНУЮ радиолокационную систему наведения. То есть он предназначен для стрельбы по самолетам с работающими РЛС, прежде всего по самолетам ДРЛО. При этом у него сохраняется возможность наведения ракеты и по данным своей авиации и может использоваться при необходимости РЛС обнаружения с ФАР. Как раз антенны этой РЛС вполне могут быть подобны по виду и расположению антеннам РЛС на ЭМ типа "Орли Берк". А у 300-ки они выглядят иначе.
С уважением, Василий Кашин
От apple16
К Said Aminov (23.04.2003 12:51:58)
Дата 23.04.2003 13:18:49

На китайском форуме есть чудовищное количество фотографий

по данному проекту.
Если надо постараюсь снять и залить.

В Jane's также можно поискать хотя в JFS
их еще нет вроде.

Всякие сомнительные сведения с форума:
(атоматический перевод с китайского??)

The mystical target ship --052c air defense at the beginning of ship searches (continues)

preface

Target ship --052c 170 finally opened the mystical veil, follows Shanghai has a fever the friends scene direct seeding reports, the multi-function array radar and on the ship spatial missile vertical launcher the ship finally turned the reality from the guess. For a while between, the navy confuses is congratulates each other, to the liquor works as the song, is excited exceptionally. Author happy extra, again with everybody discussion about in 052c some concrete technologies question.


Ship spatial missile vertical launch technology and 相控阵 radar technology

Whether there is now does everybody no longer carry on these two guesses, is the time did the concrete discussion. Looks from the existing picture, the overtop structure reserves greatly opens the hole, is prepares for ours first generation of function ship-borne 相控阵 radar, we ship-borne 相控阵 will have the long-distance security, the search, the track and the guidance multi- functions, will be able to track many batch of this, the multi- quantities goal, the resistance to interference will be good, will be continues America, the date, after Russia fourth grasps this high-tech the country, is watershed, is worth the world Chinese people is arrogant and is proud.

Also divides into four with old beautiful Burke and the small Japanese Jin'gang similar,052c plane 相控阵 radar antenna, installs to the bow overtop structure four jiao, mutually 探测区域 slightly had overlaps, eliminates the dead angle, moreover the latter two positions were all more reasonable according to Burke or Jin'gang, the dead angle were less. Goes a step further, compared with 052b (168/169), the overall layout obviously had a bigger change. Most obvious is two nearly guards against the artillery the arrangement becomes around the head and tail by two sides about, mainly is for avoid blocking 相控阵 the radar latter two angles of view. Moreover after nearly guarded against the artillery base already installs place above the hangar, nearly guarded against the artillery as for front has to to put on 舰桥, like this first, in the original plan pair of / list 100 hosts artillery as if already was unnecessary, after all was the anti-aircraft ship! Moreover four big 杀风景 stationary multibarreled multipurpose rockets launching device which appears on 168/169 also will changes the place. Such 052c compares 052b, more succinct will be sprightly.

In the ship body layout other one bigger change occurs in the rear part hangar position. By the front article discussion, the ship spatial missile vertical launcher will divide into 前后两组, by the existing material analysis, this equipment will have the model Russia type style -- left wheeled 热发射 installment, this technology we already were mature, moreover we dived the missile submarine firing also are use 热发射 the technology, the safety factor are big. Further 研判 the first launching device will be six, will assume the 3*2 arrangement to 前甲板, the tail launching device will be four, will assume the 2*2 arrangement to the rear part, with the helicopter hangar 仳 neighbour, this also will be the hangar is left and adds the high main reason, like this first, altogether will have at least 60 ships spatial missiles. Side the hangar provides the VLS alone ingenuity, has the armed force confuses the worry therefore can cause two weights not to be balanced, because missile weight must and instead dives hangar helicopter weight are greatly very more than, moreover the missile can cause the ship body in 舷侧 the launch horizontally swings, after in addition missile launch weight reduction, whether needs to press? The d isometric water adjusts the balance? Actually this kind of worry is is unnecessary, because the ship body designs time 横稳心 the computation already produced the full extra quantity, moreover the relatively overall tail launching device quantity and the weight also was not very big. The Taiwan whole world defense commentary further points out most is worth this design which praises, was concentrates the launcher right flank the hangar the design namely fully uses the space, and further because the mold quick design was easy to replace or to load again, 052c therefore also became the world first kind has this kind of unique design the warship.

As for the ball, with the domestically produced plane 相控阵 radar correspondence as if should be the hearsay already long camellia nine, however introduces the Russia system Reeve's time from us looks, possibly uses Reeve also or. Regarding this kind of full load 8000 ton about fellow, 60 general air defenses eggs arrangement or has too many problems to tackle, how no matter has the creativity, side the hangar provides VLS more or less has must not already the flavor, the tonnage or the bottleneck! In fact, the hangar is compelled to add high, warship 外形轮廓 must send in a big way, thus also can affect the entire strip ship the overall stealth effect.

New generation of engagement control subsystem

The recent modern ships mentions third generation's operational chain of command, points out this new generation of fleet electron system will use the entire distributional system structure by the network or the data bus takes the transmission information the main channel, separately will act according to the naval vessel the mission, the duty, will choose the different radar and the electronic module, for example the new development multi-function array radar, the host / passive over-the-horizon radar, the electronic warfare system, the water sound and the water sound resistance system, the towing line array sound navigation and ranging, the infrared security equipment, will form a military formation the command system, the operational chain of command, the synthesis communications system, the integrated navigation system, the ship spatial missile weapon system, the ship ship missile weapon system, the ship artillery armament system as well as the individual introduction system (equipment) and so on the electronic weaponry. This series also will have the ship, the shore, machine the combat teamwork ability, drove to protect forms a military formation the direction ability, the general air defense ability, to shore and to sea in long-distance attack ability, more advanced ECM capabilities, more perfect engagement control assistance decision ability. In other words future our ship to will become the combat general is one three-dimensional combat, the combat teamwork and the whole combat pattern, will go into production along with each kind of new ship with the service, this goal will be able gradually to realize. This systems engineering thought has the positive significance.

Obviously, this 052b/C will equip front states the third generation the operational chain of command ground-to-air subsystem, will be our entire fleet important one link.


Also said 052b

052b and 052c as if has the flavor which the height matches, although the tonnage is close, but because does not use 相控阵 and VLS, the construction cost drops on the straight line, moreover therefore also may install other equipment, if instead dives, thus constituted the multipurpose destroyer appearance. Certainly also some hearsays said 052b the appearance, mainly or because the situation is urgent, the navy is extremely anxious, after moreover introduces the Russia system modern level, the use executes 基利 after, but also is quite satisfied, thus facilitated 052b this ' the monstrous fetus ' the appearance, as if completely was 相控阵 and the VLS inadequate progress creates. Now looks like, executed 基利 above the ship increases our option, 052b or has the positive significance, took construction cost lower one level of new multipurpose destroyers also can have important status and function in future big fleet.

052b/C also is one ship polymorphism living example which in recent years we repeatedly stressed, learned with a lively mind, reduces the construction cost, sped up the navy modernization replacement.

concluding remark

Such looks like, this 052c air defense ship is is known as the young Burke's target ship, the determination without doubt! Moreover already had the hearsay says, Chiangnan already received the following order form, looked like navy to this series also is satisfied. At least the majority of armed forces confuse also are satisfied, we also are the taxpayer!

Certainly 052b/C how, or and so on completely finishes the sea trial! Counter- 正太 big was disappointed cannot again have! Also leaves always stares at 052b/C, the judgement puts the distant point, bigger is pleasantly surprised also in behind. To time, perhaps you can smile the belly hurt ~~

и еще

From Huitong :

Rumored as a 7,000-8,000t fleet air-defense DDG armed with a Chinese Aegis system to be built at Dalian Shipyard, this new type of DDG is actually being constructed at Jiangnan Shipyard, the same place where two 052B DDGs are still being fitted. This indicates that 052 series have adopted a modular design so that different variants with different primary missions can be built quickly with standardized modules. Even though 052C appears generally similar to 052B, the biggest difference lies with the 4 fixed phased array antennas embedded on the walls of the foreward superstructure on 4 sides. Among them, two antennas are covering the forward hemisphere while the other two are covering the rear hemisphere. The same arragement can be found onboard the US Arleigh Burke class DDG and Japanese Kongo class DDG. As the result, unlike 052B, two Type 730 CIWS may have to be relocated to the raised platform in front of bridge and on top of the rear helicopter hanger. The installation of 4 phased array antennas indicates that 052C will certainly be the first Chinese DDG equipped with the new HHQ-9 long-range SAM system, instead of the Russian RIF-M/S-300F system, which utilizes a single Tombstone phased array radar. In addition, the starboard side compartment next to the helicopter hanger has been further raised when compared with 052B, suggesting a bigger VLS housing a larger type of missile. Currently two 052Cs are being constructed (170 & 171?) with the first ship to be launched later this year. The building of two 052Bs and two 052Cs in such a short time frame suggests that two types of DDG will support each other with 052B concentrating on ASW and shore bombardment while 052C providing the fleet air-defense
От Mike
К Said Aminov (23.04.2003 12:51:58)
Дата 23.04.2003 13:05:30

Re: Китайский Иджис

>Это видимо китайский крейсер/эсминец проекта 170. А какое у него будет вооружение ПВО? Неужели 300-ка?


http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/luhai_luhu_luda.htm

С уважением, Mike.