От Глеб Бараев
К tevolga
Дата 06.09.2003 00:41:45
Рубрики WWII; Армия; 1941;

Согласен

1 кавдивизия двигалась по северной кромке Полесья, а район Старобина - как раз был на ее пути.
А что за кавбригаду разгромили в январе 1942 года под Торопцом - надо бы сводки посмотреть.

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От Глеб Бараев
К Глеб Бараев (06.09.2003 00:41:45)
Дата 06.09.2003 01:10:53

И еще

Под Торопцом в январе 1942 г. действовала 4-я ударная армия под командованием А.И.Еременко. Он к кавалеристам неравнодушен. Надо бы порыться в его воспоминаниях.

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От Глеб Бараев
К Глеб Бараев (06.09.2003 01:10:53)
Дата 06.09.2003 02:42:18

И все-таки это - бригада Фегеляйна

1. А.И.Еременко пишет о кавалерийской бригаде СС "Мертвая голова", сначала занимавшей оборону между озерами Пено и Волго, а затем своими остатками входившей в гарнизон Торопца.
2. Такой неравнодушный комментатор советских мемуаристов как П.Карелл мимо этого эпизода также не прошел и уточнил, что речь идет именно о бригаде Фегелайна.
3. 1-й кавполк СС "Мертвая голова", один из двух образовавших впоследствии бригаду Фегелайна, летом 1941 г. действительно "отметился" в Белоруссии.

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От Волк
К Глеб Бараев (06.09.2003 02:42:18)
Дата 06.09.2003 03:16:09

вот нашел такую фигню

June 1941: June 21: SS Kav Regt. 1 transferred to sector of Heer 87th Infantry Division.
June 22: Operation Barbarossa - Germany invades the Soviet Union; unit assigned to Kommandostab RFSS.
June 24: Unit begins mopping-up operations; SS-Sturmbannführer Fassbender appointed liason to Heer units.
June 26: SS-Obersturmführer Maeker cited for bravery in defendign the 87th ID's flank at Narev.
June 27: Himmler, angry that his units are being used on the front lines, informs XLII Armee Korps that it does not tactically control the Kommandostab-RFSS.
June 28: Himmler expressly orders HSSPF Bach-Zelewski to kill all male Jews and drives the women & children into the swamps. Fegelein comments that "only villages that are free of Jews do not become partisan bases."
June 29: SS Kav Regt 2 stationed Sonnav until July 1

July 1941: SS-Kavallerie Regiment particpates in antipartisan sweeps in Pripet marshes; kills 259 Soviet soldiers and 6,500 civilians, mopping up after the Einsatzgruppe B.
July 21: SS Kav Regt. 2 reaches Baranovichi; regiments brought together into a single brigade; SS-Radfahr (bicycle) Abt. formed from the 7th squadrons of each regiment.
July 23: Brigade stationed Grodno
July 27: Motorized elements of SS Kav Regt. 1 combat against elements of 2 Red Army divisions, Slutsj-Bobruisk road
July 30: Voraus-Abt. combat against Soviet Cossak cavalry, Novo Andreyevka. Back at HQ, RFSS Himmler, Fegelein & Von dem Bach meet; Himmler conveys the "All Jews must be shot. Drive the females into the swamps" order. Fegelein relays order to SS-Sturmbannführer Herthes. Herthes on Aug 2nd (or 3rd?) informs Franz Magill of Fegelein's order with the additional comment "The Jews are the reservoir of the partisans." Magill, shocked by the order to drive women and children into the swamps to drown, radios Brigade HQ to confirm the order. Brigade HQ confirms the order.
August 1941: Becomes SS-Kavallerie Brigade (combining 1st & 2nd SS-Totenkopf-Reiterstandarte) under Kommandostab Reichsführer-SS; used for anti-partisan security duties behind the front lines in Russia at the 300x200 square km Pripet Marshes area. Unit operates under the command of SS-Obergruppenführer Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski. Unit strengh 3,500 men, 2,900 horses, 375 vehicles
Aug 2-12: 2 mounted detatchments under Franz Magill, along with Police & SD troops, kill 14,178 Jews, 1001 partisans and 699 Soviet soldiers at a cost of 2 dead. Many Ukrainian, Byelorussian and Polish residents assist in the capture of Jews to be killed. Magill, who may have complained to Fegelein about the unjustness of the orders, also commented "The Ukrainian clergy was very cooperative" in these actions, and that driving the women and children into the swamps "did not have the desired effect" as the water wasn't deep enough to drown them. An expanded quote from his report:

"...Jewish marauders were shot. Only a few manual laborers employed by the Wehrmacht repair shops were spared. Driving women & children towards the the marshes did not have the desired effect as the marshes were not deep enough to ensure drowning...The total number of marauders and others shot by the Reiter Abt. stands at 6,526 men. About 10 prisoners were taken away. Overall, the operation may be described as a success."*
* See page 29-31, "Division Florian Geyer", by Charles Trang
Aug 6: Operating in conjunction with the 162nd Infantry Division, the unit's Voraus-Abt. skirmishes with retreating Red Army troops, killing 200, capturing 400 men, 11 guns and 600 horses for a loss of 17 KIA and 36 WIA. The Red Army 36th and 37th Cavalry Divisions and 121st Rifle Divisions are essentially destroyed.
Aug 7: SS Brigade reports 7,819 Jews killed, Minsk Area.
Aug 8: Squadron 1, SS cavalry Regt. 2 kills 1,950-6,526? Jews at Pinsk. SS lower execution age limit to age 6. Himmler regards the number of executions as "too insignificant." Fegelein, aware of the emotional toll these grisly actions take on his troops, makes a concerted effort to ensure that the men are given awards and decorations for these "special assignments."
Aug 11: Magill reports "impressions of combat: none." In a post-war interrogation, one of Magill's men commented "...the Jews behaved themselves in an exemplary fashion. No one tried to flee for his life. I could only marvel at them." The SS soldier and his comrades thought what they were doing was, in his words, a "horrible madness*" Aug 13: Brigade receives intelligence "Partisan bands operate with the support of the Jewish population." Aug 15-21: SS-Kavallerie Regt. 2 participates in antipartisan sweep "Operation Turov" at Turov, Pripet marshes
Aug 23: The mayor and members of the Hilfspolizei are killed by partisans at Starobin; 3rd squadron dispatched to appoint a new mayor and reorganize the Hilfspolizei detatchment. The SS suspect the assassins to be Jewish, so CO Waldemar Fegelein (younger brother of Hermann) orders all male Jews in the town to be shot. 21 Jews killed.
Aug 28: SS-Kav-Reg 2 marches towards Petrikov (Petrikow); encounters Soviet troops in German uniforms and shoots them
Aug 29: SS-Kav-Reg 1 combats partisans at Kochos. SS troops kill 154 partisans, wound 117, capture 37 although the partisan commander, Zaika, escapes. SS troops pursue partisan band to Sosny.
Aug 30: additional sweeps, Morocz & Petrikow
Hermann Fegelein, commenting on partisan war
"...The enemy forces were always wiped out when they were made up of regular Russian Army troops. The greatest difficulties were posed by the partisans. Militarily they were the biggest threat to be found behind a fighting army. Ruthless, brave up to the moment of annihiliation, with Asian cruelty. This enemy forced our units to stay on constant alert on account of their broad-based organization and their excellent communications network. Their familiarity with the terrain, their continual blocking of roads by laying mines and destroying bridges, their ability to dig in quickly and build machine gun nests at strategic points, and their display of calm during hand-fought battles in the marshlands are the hallmarks of their fighting skills."


* "The Third Reich: A New History" by Michael Burleigh, see p. 566 & footnote 191
От Глеб Бараев
К Волк (06.09.2003 03:16:09)
Дата 06.09.2003 06:34:52

Именно оно

Старобин упоминается 23 августа.

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