От В. Кашин
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Дата 12.08.2004 16:13:19
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Китайская статья с анализом повреждений американских танковв ираке

Добрый день!

там подборка фото подбитых абрамсов, в конце 2 фото подбитых Т-72. Может кто найдет чего новое

http://jczs.news.sina.com.cn/pc/2004-08-04/29/1056.html


С уважением, Василий Кашин
От Алексей Соловьев
К В. Кашин (12.08.2004 16:13:19)
Дата 12.08.2004 16:28:19

Re: Китайская статья...

А еще если б по нашенски прочитать, вот радость то была.

С уважением Алексей
От apple16
К Алексей Соловьев (12.08.2004 16:28:19)
Дата 12.08.2004 16:50:17

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This article according to the material which the United States Army tank vehicle headquarters, the army experience/lesson research center and all that official disclosed, is wrecked for the first time to the Iraqi war in M1A1 which or wounds "Abrams" the main battle tank and M2A2/M3A2 "Bradlee" the infantry/cavalry soldier combat tank has carried on the analysis, and the combat tank survivability which injured has been carried on to these the key research.

On turret two the hole which penetrates

As a result of the engine fire, this "Abrams" the tank needs to haul back the service, but in order to prevent this vehicle falls in the enemy manpower, the United States military afterwards decided destroys this tank. The United States military has thrown 1 incendiary grenade to the crew compartment, has launched 1 round armor piercer to the turret, then launched 2 "the calf" the missile only then to destroy this tank


After the M1A1 tank turret after body section ammunition compartment is hit, although the explosive propellant is being burnt, but the warhead has not certainly exploded the protection performance and the survivability In for 21 day-long fights in, the United States Army 3rd mechanization infantry division altogether has 23 M1A1 "Abrams" the main battle tank and M2A2/M3A2 "Bradlee" the infantry/cavalry soldier combat tank wrecks by the enemy troop either allied force's antitank weapon or wounds, however, except that "Abrams" the tank has 4 crew members outside is because the tank falls into the Tigris River from the bridge to be drown to death, "Abrams" tank crew because of has not received the enemy troop or the allied force firepower attack but the casualties, "Bradlee" the combat tank also only has 4 crew members to be injured.

RPG-7 is Soviet Union one kind of light antitank weapon which to 20th century 50's developments, at the beginning of the 60's equips, mainly used in the close-in attack tank and each kind of armored target as well as the light field operation fortification the effective strength and so on. It uses for parts the ammunition is the PG-7B type 85 millimeters ultra calibers rocket projectiles, the rocket projectile initial speed 120 meters/seconds, the peak velocity 300 meters/seconds, the direct-fire range 330 meters, effective range 500 meters, 破甲 thickness 300 millimeters, weapon total weight 8.3 kilograms.


Operates the RPG-7 bazooka the former Soviet Union soldiers in injure in 23 vehicles, some 15 are is hit by the RPG-7 antitank bazooka, 9 are "Abrams" the main battle tank, 6 are "Bradlee" the infantry/cavalry soldier combat tank. Therefore, may think the RPG-7 antitank bazooka is Iraq only poses the serious threat to the United States military armored force the antitank weapon, but Iraq's other antitank weapons have not certainly constituted any to the United States military seriously to threaten. So far has not concerned the United States Army armor combat vehicle the report which is attacked by the Iraqi antitank guided missile, also the discovery has not liked the war period report such, the Iraqi army equipment has "the short number" the antitank guided missile system. Although RPG-7 antitank bazooka although does not have directly thoroughly to wreck "Abrams" the main battle tank, but Iraq's RPG-7 antitank sub-element still was "Abrams" the main battle tank only "the mobile murderer". After above 9 which injures "Abrams" the main battle tank is two effects which is hit by Iraqi armed force's this kind of antitank weapon produces destroys. The United States military loses the infantry combat tank mainly all is because the mechanical breakdown creates, these have lost the fight ability vehicles or is opened by the United States military the part, or is seriously destroyed by the Iraqi.

Is raised to the chassis M1A1 tank turret

This "Abrams" the tank is hit by 1 round armor piercer, looked from the chart, except very shallow 弹坑, has not certainly penetrated the armor. Exterior which blasts open 护板is used is one kind of infrared reflecting material, this kind of material is advantageous for through the thermal imagery telescopic sights carries on the recognition, moreover "Abrams" the main battle tank turret and the chassis positive armor can provide the extremely good protection to armor not any influence for the crew member, but the vehicles crown, two sides and the rear part armor extremely easily is actually penetrated. In hits by allied force's 25 millimeters depleted uranium armor-piercing projectile and the Iraqi armed force's 30 millimeters armor piercers loses the fight ability in the tank, some 1 is hits from the rear part. Therefore, the United States Army research lab started an urgent development plan immediately, very quickly developed one kind to use for to protect the vehicles rear part engine grill specially 装甲护板. Afterwards, the Lima army tank factory organizes to produce immediately, in receives the order form in 1 week, the United States military first batch order 20 sets special 装甲护板transport to the Iraqi front, installed the army and on marine corps's main battle tank. The tank two sides non- trajectory protection skirtings are often penetrated by the RPG-7 rocket projectile, but actually does not have the vehicles front part trajectory protection skirting the report which is hit by the RPG-7 rocket projectile, also does not have the tank the report which is hit by the antitank mine. On the turret decompression gate explodes when turret ammunition for safeguarded in the turret the crew member and the equipment safety has played the role. Once had this kind of example, is hit after the turret spare ammunition compartment, caused the ammunition to explode, outside was precisely because the decompression doorknob ammunition explosive shock wave platoon dispatched a vehicle, only then caused in the tower the crew member has not received any injury, only was inspiration some smog. The infantry combat tank usually can or hangs in the chassis either the turret exterior embarkation installs some equipment equipments, does this the consequence is its own not only cannot resist the light weapons the attack, moreover also possibly causes the vehicles to damage. Some serious losses are because outside sets at the auxiliary power unit part fire or the fuel oil and the lubricating oil drips into the power bay to cause engine burning to create. The United States military in order to guarantee discards in on the battlefield the tank not to take away by the enemy the research, therefore the decision destroys these tanks. Must thoroughly destroy 1 tank, must throw 1 incendiary grenade to the crew compartment, launches 1 round armor piercer to the turret ammunition compartment, then launches 2 to the tank "the calf" the antitank guided missile to be able again thoroughly to destroy it.

Army research lab development new rear part guard plate (on)

A fever waste "Abrams" the main battle tank wreckage (burning reason is unclear). No matter what state, the crew members all did escape the firepower and the target acquisition Although the United States military tank provides fin stabilization armor piercing discarding sabot might extremely formidable, but because organized resists the United States military the Iraq armored force to equip the rank lowly, also quite is dispersible, therefore, very little uses this kind of ammunition in this war, the main use is the armor-piercing shell and 多用途弹, these two kind of ammunition may effectively attack various building and the bunker. In Iraq's ground fight, the machine gun has become the primary armament, this is because in the battlefield has many soft targets, moreover hides in the position the Iraqi antitank army, mostly is the United States military attacks them on the extremely near distance, therefore, the tank artillery does not have the opportunity. The first generation of thermal imagery telescopic sights although may satisfy the tank the operational request, but, in order to matches with the artillery and the fire control system capture and the elimination goal performance, needs to develop and to use the second-generation thermal imagery aiming installment. Because the intense sand storm causes the tank at time the search and the target acquisition is extremely difficult.

On March 21, 2003, United States Marines first tank battalion Charlie the continually M1A1 main battle tank performs duties nearby Sa husband Wanshan

This "Abrams" the tank several round 12.7×108 millimeter bullets which is launched by the DSh old style heavy machine gun hits left side of its turret the salient point, directed outside to set at the auxiliary power unit. The fire intensity afterwards expanded the power bay, caused the tank finally to lose the maneuver cabability. Afterwards, the United States military opened on this tank all parts

M1A1 which wrecks

On March 26, in a natrium outstanding husband's near distance combat, 1 "Abrams" left side of the tank turret has encountered the many kinds of light weapons attack and 2 RPG-7 rocket projectile attack, a rocket projectile only is 擦身而过, another hits the turret, puts on deeply does not surpass 3 centimeters; Simultaneously also is hit by allied force's 8 round 25 millimeter depleted uranium armor-piercing projectile, 3 round hit right flank the turret, but certainly has not created the fatal damage, but other 5 round actually penetrated the rear part engine grill, caused the tank to lose the maneuver cabability mobile part At the arid region combat, the engine and the air-conditioning system the air filter needs the crew member to clean and the maintenance as necessary, because uses under this kind of environmental condition, the engine failure rate can increase very much. In 1991 "the operation desert storm" in the motion, the M1A1 tank engine because the sand dust influence has had very many problems, however 12 years have passed by, this question has not still obtained the very good solution. In the Iraqi war, "Abrams" the tank suspension system repeatedly appears the breakdown, the breakdown mostly concentrates in the about two sides 2nd, 3rd and 5th balances on the elbow and the module. The army "Abrams" the plan manages the office and Engineer GDLS Corporation's is investigating appears these breakdowns the reason, and research possible improvement measure. Natural, makes a long and wearisome journey, high speed travel, also can create the bogie and the caterpillar band serious attrition, the frequency sends the breakdown. In the United States military armored force short time the long-distance range is more more importantly mobile the fuel ratio plan supply which needs to consume to have many. Under then battlefield condition, needed the tank unceasingly to carry on the search and the observation to the battlefield, therefore, the turret needed the massive electric powers. Then, requests the master motor and outside sets at the auxiliary power unit to work in turn, naturally needed to consume more fuels.

Iraqi T-72 tank is wrecked which by the United States military tank

Iraqi T-72 always mentioning is wrecked which by the United States military tank, "Abrams" main battle tank performance fine, mobility good, firepower strong, could provide the good protection for all crew members, the engine endurance surpasses the anticipated level, the transmission device lasting has been also durable after the confirmation. Needs further to improve the place is: Chassis two sides and rear part armor protection and suspension system durability and logistics support aspect question. (Hu fine jade) ("Tank armor Vehicles" in 2004 second issue)
От Captain Africa
К apple16 (12.08.2004 16:50:17)
Дата 12.08.2004 21:44:43

интереснооо...

> This "Abrams" the tank is hit by 1 round armor piercer, looked from the chart, except very shallow 弹坑, has not certainly penetrated the armor. Exterior which blasts open 护板is used is one kind of infrared reflecting material, this kind of material is advantageous for through the thermal imagery telescopic sights carries on the recognition,

Похоже у них тоже есть теплозащитная накидка на танк, не только у нас...
От kievpapa
К Captain Africa (12.08.2004 21:44:43)
Дата 12.08.2004 22:45:09

Ре: интереснооо...


>> Тхис "Абрамс" тхе танк ис хит бы 1 роунд армор пиерцер, лоокед фром тхе чарт, еxцепт веры шаллов 弹坑, хас нот цертаинлы пенетратед тхе армор. Еxтериор вхич бластс опен 护板ис усед ис оне кинд оф инфраред рефлецтинг материал, тхис кинд оф материал ис адвантагеоус фор тхроугх тхе тхермал имагеры телесцопиц сигхтс царриес он тхе рецогнитион,
>
>Похоже у них тоже есть теплозащитная накидка на танк, не только у нас...

Нет, речь идёт об инфракрасных распознавателях "свой-чужой"
От KGBMan
К apple16 (12.08.2004 16:50:17)
Дата 12.08.2004 20:16:09

Re: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ -...

Это машинный перевод ?

Жуть.
От В. Кашин
К Алексей Соловьев (12.08.2004 16:28:19)
Дата 12.08.2004 16:45:26

Re: Китайская статья...

Добрый день!
>А еще если б по нашенски прочитать, вот радость то была.
 У меня нет времени сейчас переводить статью целиком. Если интересуют подписи под иллюстрациями или какие-то конкретные вещи - могу перевести.

С уважением, Василий Кашин
От Said Aminov
К Алексей Соловьев (12.08.2004 16:28:19)
Дата 12.08.2004 16:43:02

Re: Китайская статья...

Уважаемые коллеги!
>А еще если б по нашенски прочитать, вот радость то была.
есть статья Сергея Суворова на эту тему
http://airfleet.ru/arsenal/2004/03/ar_54_59/

С уважением, Вестник ПВО ( http://pvo.guns.ru )